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[05:33]<+camerongray> Well that was a close one, almost shipped a secret santa present for someone at work to the datacenter :P
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[06:57]<Bulldozer> Not sure if this is the appropriate place, but can someone direct to a place where I could lease a /24 IP range along with a server?
[06:58]<@jacky> Bulldozer: Hello
[06:58]<Bulldozer> hi jacky
[06:58]<@jacky> they were talking about dedicated servers and vps and all that stuff just the other day
[06:58]<@jacky> stick around
[06:58]<Bulldozer> who's they?
[06:58]<+camerongray> I've got a dedicated server from datashack.net
[06:58]<@jacky> I was afraid you'd ask
[06:58]<@jacky> heh
[06:58]<@jacky> ah
[06:58]<@jacky> there's one
[06:59]<+camerongray> Currently shipping another box to them to colocate
[06:59]<Bulldozer> do you think they could lease a range of that size?
[06:59]<Bulldozer> and / or do I need to send them a box? or could they provide one
[06:59]<+camerongray> You can rent a dedicated server from them
[06:59]<@jacky> camerongray: lease him a VPS! heheeheh
[06:59]<+camerongray> lol, I've only ordered a /28 block
[06:59]<@BC_Programming> I think you'd have to go directly to ARIN to lease a full /24 IP Range
[07:00]<+camerongray> Datashack offer /24
[07:00]<Bulldozer> ARIN?
[07:00]<+camerongray> For $188/mo
[07:00]<Bulldozer> wat
[07:00]<@BC_Programming> American Registry for Internet Numbers
[07:00]<Bulldozer> thats quite cheap
[07:00]<@jacky> BC_Programming: Hello
[07:00]<@BC_Programming> eg. they manage IP address Allocations
[07:00]<+camerongray> You'll need to provide some major justification though
[07:00]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[07:00]<+camerongray> What do you need that many IPs for? :P
[07:01]<Bulldozer> Experimenting
[07:01]<Bulldozer> :p
[07:01]<Bulldozer> actually its for affilate marketing
[07:01]<+camerongray> Ahh
[07:01]<+camerongray> Not sure if they will give you a block for that
[07:01]<Bulldozer> probably not :-/
[07:01]<+camerongray> Why do you need a lot of IPs for that?
[07:02]<Bulldozer> Well
[07:02]<+camerongray> I ordered a /28 block so I can virtualize the server
[07:02]<Bulldozer> I'll let you in on a business secret
[07:02]<Bulldozer> If anyone says they are into affilate marketing
[07:02]<Bulldozer> it means in a nutshell, they send what would be considered to be "spam"
[07:02]<Bulldozer> the difference though
[07:03]<@BC_Programming> Yes that's not really a secret :/
[07:03]<+camerongray> Ahh, no way datashack will allow that
[07:03]<Bulldozer> is, legally complient
[07:03]<Bulldozer> *complient
[07:03]<Bulldozer> there is nothing wrong with it
[07:03]<@BC_Programming> compliant
[07:03]<+camerongray> Or really any provider
[07:03]<Bulldozer> you'd be suprised, they just typically dont lease in that range
[07:03]<Bulldozer> because if I was mean, I could cook those ips very fast
[07:04]<Bulldozer> the reason you lease a range that size is to avoid that
[07:04]<+camerongray> You'll struggle to find a provider to allow that
[07:04]<@jacky> camerongray: where do the spammers get them ?
[07:05]<Bulldozer> Unless dealing with one who strickly works with mailing
[07:05]<+camerongray> Not sure
[07:05]<Bulldozer> oh they're around
[07:05]<+camerongray> I've had issues with providers blocking my server because my mail forwarder forwarded spam
[07:05]<Bulldozer> yep
[07:05]<Bulldozer> its a tricky little niche market
[07:05]<+camerongray> And a very irritating one at that
[07:06]<Bulldozer> to an extent
[07:06]<Bulldozer> the majority of it is created through the use of botnets
[07:06]<+camerongray> Which is highly illegal
[07:06]<Bulldozer> by people who disregard the laws that have been put in place
[07:06]<Bulldozer> "highly"
[07:06]<+camerongray> I work very closely related to marketing, the company I work for broke off from an internet marketing company, and we are all against any form of spam or UBE
[07:06]<Bulldozer> sadly, you can make a nice living off low scale botnetting
[07:07]<@jacky> what is UBE?
[07:07]<+camerongray> Unsolicited Bulk Email (Spam)
[07:07]<@jacky> gotta luv acronyms... sigh
[07:07]<Bulldozer> see, all my mail has been opted in
[07:07]<@jacky> heh
[07:07]<Bulldozer> as per the law
[07:08]<Bulldozer> every mail i send out has the users provided information
[07:08]<@BC_Programming> opted in how?
[07:08]<Bulldozer> including time and ip they provided it from
[07:08]<+camerongray> Well, if the people actually want the emails, then you shouldn't have the issues of IPs being blocked
[07:08]<Bulldozer> you'd think so
[07:08]<Bulldozer> im not worried about the ip's being blocked
[07:09]<Bulldozer> the issue is
[07:09]<Bulldozer> I buy 10mil opted in emails
[07:09]<@jacky> but... in a world of stupid people... how many opt in, then complain about spam later?
[07:09]<+camerongray> Usually that information has been provided by accident, so technically not illegal but unethical
[07:09]<Bulldozer> no way gmail/hotmail/yahoo/aol is going to allow me to send 10mil emails
[07:09]<Bulldozer> they have mass filters
[07:09]<Bulldozer> so you need to divded you sending in small amounts over multiple ips
[07:09]<Bulldozer> somewhat cameron
[07:09]<@jacky> probably have ass filters too. hehehee
[07:10]<Bulldozer> lots of people specalized in SEO
[07:10]<Bulldozer> get lots of specialized niche site
[07:10]<Bulldozer> sites
[07:10]<Bulldozer> collect emails
[07:10]<Bulldozer> sell said emails to people like myself
[07:10]<Bulldozer> at least, someone whos getting into it
[07:10]<+camerongray> Exactly, unethical
[07:10]<Bulldozer> why unethical?
[07:10]<@BC_Programming> That's still unsolicited :/
[07:11]<Bulldozer> They sign up saying theyd like to recieve information and offers
[07:11]<Bulldozer> about said site
[07:11]<Bulldozer> er site content
[07:11]<+camerongray> Usually by accident
[07:11]<Bulldozer> diet, making money, loans, etc
[07:11]<Bulldozer> how is it an accident?
[07:11]<Bulldozer> its clearly stated
[07:11]<@BC_Programming> because the check box is almost always checked by default in those instances
[07:12]<+camerongray> Some sites it's "Check the box FOR emails" and others it's "Check the box to AVOID emails"
[07:12]<Bulldozer> so the majority of email users are dumb?
[07:12]<@BC_Programming> it's "Opt out" because they would have to take explicit action, at that point, to <not> be added to the list
[07:12]<+camerongray> I've fallen for that many times, I'd hardly regard myself as "dumb"
[07:12]<Bulldozer> well I see no issue then
[07:12]<Bulldozer> Intelligent people can opt in
[07:13]<Bulldozer> and all can spam complient emails offer an opt out
[07:13]<+camerongray> Or intelligent people who click the box by accident
[07:13]<Bulldozer> on top of the filters thats mailers have to go through
[07:13]<Bulldozer> I see no violation of ethics
[07:13]<Bulldozer> but I am enjoying this conversation
[07:13]<@jacky> camerongray: where to the big time spammers get their ips, etc., from? that's where Bulldozer needs to shop, right?
[07:13]<+camerongray> And sure I can opt out from mailings from x company but I can't really take myself off a list that has been sold around the worlds
[07:14]<Bulldozer> actually you can
[07:14]<+camerongray> Not sure, but it's not really something I help or want to support
[07:14]<@BC_Programming> http://www.paulgraham.com/spamdiff.html
[07:14]<@jacky> hehe
[07:14]<@jacky> makes sense, too
[07:14]<Bulldozer> when I decide to "send" a particular campaign
[07:14]<+camerongray> Plus, email marketing hardly provides good results on the business side
[07:14]<Bulldozer> I need to download a supression list
[07:14]<Bulldozer> of everyone whos ever opted out of it
[07:14]<+camerongray> I work in analytics and we find that *spam* doesn't really help
[07:16]<@BC_Programming> jacky: I don't know. I think maybe two-fold
[07:16]<@jacky> heh
[07:16]<@jacky> ok
[07:17]<Bulldozer> if what was?
[07:17]<@jacky> Bulldozer: wrong nick. sorry
[07:18]<Bulldozer> gotcha
[07:18]<Bulldozer> cameron, can you elaborate on your analytics?
[07:18]<Bulldozer> on mail working/not working?
[07:19]<+camerongray> Not really, private company stuff
[07:19]<@BC_Programming> oh wait I did that backwards
[07:19]<+camerongray> But we have seen that the traffic from email capaigns is very low compared to the numbers of emails sent out
[07:19]<+camerongray> There are much more effective marketing strategies
[07:20]<+camerongray> Personally (And I think I speak for the majority of people) if I recieve an spam email, it gets deleted without even looking
[07:21]<Bulldozer> lets be honest, when is the last time you it made it to your inbox?
[07:21]<Bulldozer> and to me, times have changed, I can just load up one subject line and blast away, you actually need to treat it as a marketing campaign to see any real results
[07:21]<@jacky> camerongray: you don't read every one, and reply? I thought that was what we were supposed to do.... ... sigh... I wish somebody would tell me this stuff..
[07:21]<@BC_Programming> lol
[07:22]<+camerongray> lol
[07:22]<+camerongray> Still waiting on those "Best canadian meds"?
[07:22]<@jacky> Bulldozer: what's your email address? all of them. I know plenty of people that would like to get even with you
[07:22]<Bulldozer> You dont even have to reply! Just put your email in the box and I am a happy camper
[07:22]<@jacky> while we are at it, what's your phone number and physical location too
[07:22]<@jacky> heheheeh
[07:22]<Bulldozer> to be fair
[07:22]<+camerongray> <Bulldozer> lets be honest, when is the last time you it made it to your inbox? - Well doesn't that make sending them rather pointless
[07:23]<Bulldozer> the majority of my data comes with city, state, country, and telephone numbers
[07:23]<Bulldozer> well thats what makes it a business
[07:23]<Bulldozer> I need to find ways for you to see said email
[07:23]<@jacky> actually, if you are a spammer, that's what makes you slimey
[07:24]<Bulldozer> ^
[07:24]<Bulldozer> agreed
[07:24]<@jacky> agree that you are slimey?
[07:24]<+camerongray> By circumventing systems that people put in place in order to stop spam
[07:24]<@jacky> har
[07:24]<Bulldozer> false
[07:24]<+camerongray> If people try to block your emails despite "opting-on" then surely you can regard them as not wanting it
[07:24]<+camerongray> Else they would add you to the safe senders list
[07:24]<Bulldozer> said people dont get to choose
[07:25]<Bulldozer> the filters from their mail service does
[07:25]<+camerongray> Which can mostly be turned off
[07:25]<Bulldozer> i wont lie and say that 90% of stuff is useless and they should be in place
[07:25]<@jacky> phone... be back soon
[07:25]<Bulldozer> but i will argue that it is 100% legal and 100% a form of marketing
[07:25]<Bulldozer> and
[07:26]<Bulldozer> makes a damn good living
[07:26]<+camerongray> But unethical and irritating
[07:26]<Bulldozer> depends on your ethics
[07:26]<+camerongray> I'd much rather do what I do and help people, not have everyone hate what I produce and still make a very good living
[07:27]<Bulldozer> I work at a nuclear plant, people love what I do
[07:27]<+camerongray> But you also send spam email
[07:27]<Bulldozer> Without my job, your job wouldnt be able to function
[07:27]<+camerongray> Well, not you personally since we are on different continents
[07:27]<Bulldozer> I do, and I'm not hated by anybody
[07:28]<+camerongray> But you also send spam email
[07:28]<Bulldozer> I just find it funny you try and judge me by saying people hate what I do
[07:28]<+camerongray> Can't make that much of a good living if you have to do another job as well
[07:28]<+camerongray> try to find me a person that says "Oh wow, Another spam email, I love it"
[07:28]<Bulldozer> If you could make $700 a day in your spare time I bet you would
[07:28]<+camerongray> Not if it annoyed people
[07:29]<@BC_Programming> the reason spam is unethical is that it disrupts your life. There are many different ways of reaching you with a message, from printing it on a billboard you might see, to calling you on the phone. Email is among the most intrusive, perhaps second only to telemarketing. The problem is, email is also very cheap. So it's not only more intrusive than getting a catalog in the mail, but you also
[07:29]<@BC_Programming> tend to get far more of it.
[07:29]<@BC_Programming> (from Paul Graham's Essay)
[07:29]<Bulldozer> Don't sign up if you feel its intrusive
[07:29]<Bulldozer> You seem to misunderstand I only send to those who have NOT opted out and who HAVE signed up
[07:30]<+camerongray> I never intentionally sign up, It's very easy to do by accident
[07:30]<@BC_Programming> "I can't imagine any external source of email addresses that it would be ethical to send unsolicited email to. All along the spectrum of spammers, from the true bottom-feeders who hijack open relays to send porn spams, to the so-called "opt-in" list managers, unsolicited email is unwelcome to nearly all its recipients-- at best an annoying interruption, and at worst a blight that makes email
[07:30]<@BC_Programming> unusable."
[07:30]<+camerongray> Exactly
[07:31]<Bulldozer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN-SPAM_Act_of_2003
[07:31]<Bulldozer> thats my legality to follow
[07:31]<+camerongray> Just because it is legal, doesn't mean that it doesn't annoy others
[07:31]<@BC_Programming> Well I never said it was illegal. Illegal and unethical are two different concepts
[07:32]<Bulldozer> I'm not annoyed
[07:32]<@BC_Programming> sometimes following the letter of the law can be unethical, and vice versa
[07:32]<Bulldozer> The people who accent wanted said emails are not annoyed
[07:32]<Bulldozer> my campaign managers are not annoyed
[07:32]<@BC_Programming> "Opt-in spammers will claim that their lists must be clean, because the mail they send gives the recipient a way to "unsubscribe". (I put that in quotes because the odds are the recipient never did knowingly subscribe.) They must want to get this email if they don't unsubscribe, right?"
[07:33]<+camerongray> ^ This
[07:33]<@jacky> www.spamgourmet.com is a beautiful thing
[07:33]<@jacky> hehehe
[07:33]<Bulldozer> ;p
[07:34]<+camerongray> Ahh, I have a better trick
[07:34]<+camerongray> Since I have my own domain and servers.etc
[07:34]<+camerongray> I set up a different email for everything I sign up for that all goes to one mailbox
[07:34]<@BC_Programming> "Ultimately, it's the low cost of spam that's the root of the problem. While it's annoying to get a spam, the real problem is that you don't get just one, but hundreds or thousands. Being stung by a bee is painful, but being stung by a swarm of bees is a problem of a different magnitude. And, like bees, spam intrinsically comes in large quantities."
[07:34]<+camerongray> That way, if one gets spammed I can just kill it, AND see who sold my details
[07:35]<@jacky> camerongray: but for us po' folks, spamgourmet works good, and is free. :)
[07:35]<+camerongray> lol, yeah
[07:35]<@jacky> how can you see who sold your details?
[07:35]<Bulldozer> there are plenty of "spamtraps" i nexistance
[07:35]<Bulldozer> just like youre talking about cameron
[07:36]<@jacky> by matching the email address of yours, that is used?
[07:36]<Bulldozer> which if you fall into one
[07:36]<Bulldozer> gets all your servers shut down
[07:36]<+camerongray> e.g. For a website "foobar.com" the email address would be foobar@...
[07:36]<@BC_Programming> well at least spam mails don't use the CC field
[07:36]<@jacky> camerongray: do the same thing, with spamgourmet then. (I do something like that)
[07:36]<+camerongray> So if I get spam to foobar@... I know it was foobar.com that sold the details
[07:36]<+camerongray> Ahh, cool
[07:36]<+camerongray> Never used it
[07:36]<@jacky> the premise is: make up an email address on the fly
[07:37]<@jacky> camerongray: play with it someday. it is pretty cool
[07:37]<@jacky> and... the important thing: Free
[07:37]<@jacky> heh
[07:37]<+camerongray> Yeah, will do
[07:37]<@jacky> I need to be going
[07:37]<@jacky> see you all later
[07:37]<+camerongray> And it stops Bulldozer
[07:37]<+camerongray> kk, cya
[07:37]<@BC_Programming> lol
[07:37]<@jacky> and others, that are really sophisticated
[07:37]<@jacky> heh
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[07:38]<Bulldozer> lol
[07:38]<+camerongray> lol?
[07:39]<Bulldozer> yep
[07:39]<Bulldozer> your comment was comical :D
[07:39]<+camerongray> ahh
[07:40]<Bulldozer> I appreciate all sorts of insight to this stuff
[07:40]<+camerongray> Cool
[07:40]<+camerongray> And now you know that many people really dislike spam and don't want to help spammers
[07:40]<Bulldozer> lol I never knew that before?
[07:41]<@BC_Programming> this might be helpful
[07:41]<@BC_Programming> http://spam.abuse.net/marketerhelp/
[07:42]<+camerongray> Anyway, I've got work do do, exam tomorrow :P
[07:42]<Bulldozer> sure that has some useful ideas
[07:42]<@BC_Programming> and suddenly...
[07:43]<Bulldozer> ?
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[07:43]<@camerongray> WOOOOOO! - I feel so privileged
[07:43]<@BC_Programming> CONGRATULATIONS
[07:44]<@BC_Programming> don't go opping people randomly now, especially that Tux2 fellow, he's a troublemaker
[07:44]<@camerongray> lol
[07:52]<@camerongray> Anyeay, need to revise
[07:52]<@BC_Programming> later
[07:52]<@camerongray> Oh Linear Algebra, how I hate you :P
[07:58]<Bulldozer> k back
[07:58]<@BC_Programming> wb
[07:59]<Bulldozer> tyty
[07:59]<Bulldozer> so what else gets chatted about in here?
[07:59]<@camerongray> Pretty much everything
[08:00]<Bulldozer> does it stay computer oriented?
[08:00]<@camerongray> Not really
[08:01]<Bulldozer> lol
[08:01]<Bulldozer> gotcha
[08:01]<@BC_Programming> for the most part
[08:02]<Bulldozer> well where is everyone from?
[08:03]<@camerongray> Scotland
[08:03]<@BC_Programming> Canada
[08:03]<Bulldozer> oh nice
[08:03]<Bulldozer> im assuming BC?
[08:03]<Bulldozer> or is that to much of an assumption?
[08:03]<@BC_Programming> yeah but that's not where my nick came from
[08:03]<@BC_Programming> just an interesting coincidence
[08:04]<Bulldozer> lol
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[08:12]<@BC_Programming> cam: You know what's better than Tekkit?
[08:12]<@camerongray> nope
[08:13]<@camerongray> Not played in ages
[08:13]<Bulldozer> oh you guys are gamers?
[08:13]<@camerongray> Not me really, bit busy with work and university
[08:13]<@camerongray> Really just minecraft
[08:13]<Bulldozer> ahh
[08:13]<@camerongray> Although arranging with tux to host a server when my new box arrives
[08:14]<@camerongray> Which should be today :D
[08:14]<Bulldozer> i sued to love pvp minecraft
[08:14]<Bulldozer> like 2 years ago
[08:14]<Bulldozer> that was so much fun
[08:14]<@BC_Programming> Feed The Beast :D like tekkit but all the mod authors are collaborating with it
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[08:14]<Bulldozer> whats tekkit?
[08:15]<@BC_Programming> It's a mod pack for Minecraft
[08:15]<@camerongray> Gah, server is on the FedEx vehicle, the suspense is killing me
[08:15]<@BC_Programming> I don't usually play modded Minecraft to be fair, but mixing it up a bit every once in a while doesn't hurt
[08:17]<@camerongray> I've not played in ages
[08:18]<Bulldozer> chekc out ace of spades
[08:18]<@BC_Programming> Heard of that
[08:18]<Bulldozer> a small browser based game combining aspects of minecraft and a army shooter
[08:18]<Bulldozer> its really neat
[08:18]<Bulldozer> build bunkers into mountains, or a fortress to protect your flag
[08:18]<@BC_Programming> was never really big on MC PvP to be honest... (he says despite being the most feared player in the server he plays)
[08:19]<@camerongray> lol
[08:19]<Bulldozer> MC PvP was so hit or miss
[08:19]<Bulldozer> at least when i played
[08:19]<Bulldozer> it was more about stalking
[08:19]<Bulldozer> and seeing who could hit who first with crystal swords
[08:19]<@BC_Programming> they've made numerous improvements and changes to the combat system since 1.8
[08:20]<@BC_Programming> invisibility,strength, regeneration, and various other potions, enchantments, etc.
[08:20]<Bulldozer> oh wow lol
[08:20]<Bulldozer> then im wayyy behind in the times
[08:20]<@BC_Programming> invisiblity is hilarious
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[08:20]<@camerongray> Oh I love my university, Printed off a past exam paper, every second page says "Blank Page" on it
[08:21]<@camerongray> So now I have paper that I can't put back in the printer but serves no purpose
[08:21]<@BC_Programming> lol
[08:21]<@BC_Programming> my printer always insists on printing out a test page every time it's turned on
[08:22]<@camerongray> hahaha
[08:22]<@BC_Programming> probably so it uses ink faster
[08:22]<@camerongray> Mine is over 13years old!
[08:22]<@BC_Programming> Mine is out of ink... stupid test pages
[08:22]<@camerongray> lol
[08:22]<@camerongray> Mine is laser :D
[08:22]<@BC_Programming> how does printing little block squares and skewed cyan blocks help "align" the print head? LIES!
[08:22]<@camerongray> Got it free from work!
[08:22]<@camerongray> lol
[08:23]<@BC_Programming> the part I hate more is the stupid driver
[08:23]<@BC_Programming> they had to make it "speak"
[08:23]<@camerongray> Had to carry it (LaserJet 4050) home on the bus!
[08:23]<@BC_Programming> so I go to use it and some guy is all "problem communicating with the printer"
[08:23]<@camerongray> Oh I know that one, Lexmark?
[08:23]<@BC_Programming> yes
[08:23]<@BC_Programming> Haven't even tried to use it in ages... what with it being out of ink and all that
[08:23]<@camerongray> Ahh yes, Never knew they still did that, last saw it on an old Z32, slowest printer ever
[08:24]<@BC_Programming> mines a Z something
[08:24]<@BC_Programming> now I have to check if it's a Z32 we can have an lol
[08:24]<@camerongray> The Z32 did 1.9 pages per minuite (B/W text!)
[08:25]<@BC_Programming> nope it's a Z816
[08:25]<@BC_Programming> as in Grade Z quality
[08:25]<@camerongray> lol
[08:26]<@camerongray> This is very close to mine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HP_LaserJet_4000n.jpg
[08:26]<@camerongray> Try taking that on a bus!
[08:26]<@BC_Programming> well to be fair it was workable, of course not having ink really puts a damper on it
[08:26]<@BC_Programming> because of course if there is no colour or it's missing one colour it refuses to print anything at all
[08:27]<@BC_Programming> "Sorry I can't print this black text, because I'm out of Cyan Ink"
[08:27]<@BC_Programming> "But Printer, you don't need Cyan ink to print black"
[08:27]<@BC_Programming> "I know but I feel insecure without it"
[08:27]<@camerongray> lol
[08:27]<@camerongray> Mine doesn't even do colour
[08:28]<@BC_Programming> well I imagine it does grayscale with half-tone
[08:28]<@camerongray> yeah
[08:28]<@BC_Programming> probably better than the diseased monkey jism my printer ended up with
[08:28]<@camerongray> It's huge
[08:29]<@camerongray> But super reliable
[08:29]<@camerongray> Has never been repaired inl 13 years
[08:29]<@BC_Programming> yeah LaserJet's are good
[08:29]<@camerongray> And it was used in a pretty busy office
[08:30]<@camerongray> Doesn't even have USB!
[08:30]<@BC_Programming> The printers were expensive, and the Toner was Expensive, but unlike a value Ink jet, the cost of using them was not expensive
[08:30]<@BC_Programming> because the Toner lasted ages, unlike today where you buy a value printer and print 5 pages and suddenly it's out of yellow, even though you never printed yellow
[08:32]<@camerongray> yeah
[08:32]<@camerongray> I have a 6month old photosmart
[08:32]<@camerongray> Only ever use it to scan or print from iOS
[08:32]<@camerongray> And not even iOS now since I have a raspberry pi running as an airprint server for the LaserJet
[08:32]<@BC_Programming> I had a CRT Monitor sort of explode in my face once.
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[08:33]<@BC_Programming> :/
[08:34]<+camerongray> wrong button
[08:34]<+camerongray> afk
[08:34]<@BC_Programming> I registered op with chanserv but it only gave you voice
[08:42]<+camerongray> Ahh
[08:42]<+camerongray> Need to remove voice?
[08:42]<@BC_Programming> hmm perhaps
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[08:44]<@BC_Programming> oops
[08:46]<@BC_Programming> wow the chanserv documentation is completely wrong
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[18:45]<lucifer> ive got $100 and i really have no idea what to get
[18:46]<Notch> You could get a Rasberry Pi
[18:46]<Notch> Or a lower end Chromebook
[18:46]<lucifer> true
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[18:49]<lucifer> ?????
[18:50]<Notch> Oh, collatteral damage
[18:50]<lucifer> btw the 99 dollar chromebook is for teacher/schools
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[18:54]<lucifer> ????
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[18:59]<DTHANGGWASHERE> Hello people!
[19:01]<DTHANGGWASHERE> !help
[19:02]<lucifer> hi
[19:06]<DTHANGGWASHERE> whats up
[19:08]<DTHANGGWASHERE> i am new to the internet relay chat so i am terrible at it. That is why i am having problems with my computer
[19:14]<Notch> What exactly do you need help with?
[19:15]<DTHANGGWASHERE> Well My Powerbook 1400c Had a faulty hard drive so i replaced it. Now it will not boot and when i try to boot it up it will start blinking and turn off. should i put the faulty hardrive back in or should i do something else
[19:17]<Notch> Mac?
[19:18]<DTHANGGWASHERE> yes
[19:18]<Notch> Is it an identical model hard drive?
[19:22]<DTHANGGWASHERE> yes
[19:23]<Notch> Hmm
[19:23]<Notch> Well, MacOSX won't be on the hard drive
[19:23]<Notch> I don't have that much experience with macs, so I'm draing a blank
[19:23]<DTHANGGWASHERE> ok but thank you
[19:24]<DTHANGGWASHERE> Do you know anything about the original sidekick or the sidekick color
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